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Wednesday, October 29, 2008

(Update) Are coffee houses Kosher?

(Update below)
In an exclusive interview yesterday with one of our esteemed senior Kollel members, R' Pinny Berlin, we explore some very interesting issues regarding coffee houses that will surely keep you on edge.

We first asked Pinny what his thoughts we're on Kosherstarbucks.com?
Pinny responded that many of their heterim don't seem to flow l'chatchila & some not even b'de'eved.

NERC: Pinny give us an example of what might not be kosher l'chatchila?
Pinny: Well according to their site, Starbucks makes their own whip-cream, and in most stores both products that are used to make the whip-cream are kosher. Now the site claims that since it is made with cold utensils and they are washed in-between uses that would only be ok according to the M'chaber but not the Rama (who we pasken like).

NERC: Well that's a very interesting point, but what product is Kosher and would end up not being ok even B'd'eved?
Pinny: Simple, let's say you want to order a latte. A latte is made up of Steamed milk (or cream). Now since you want to remain on the safe side you ask for steamed milk (because a lot of creamers are not Kosher, and you therefore must check 'every' time), well that steamer might have been used to steam non-kosher creamer or any other non-kosher liquid and then you are running into real issues.

NERC: So basically you're telling us that we shouldn't order any latte's or even a Frappuchino (with a creme base and not a coffe base)?
Pinny: Ha, well i'm not a Rabbi (yet) but I would caution everyone to steer clear from them for the time being. I am trying to get in contact with kosherstarbucks.com to talk over my issues with them and we will see what happens. So I will definitely keep you guys posted. Thanx for having me on!

NERC: Pinny we thank you for giving us some of your valuable time and we hope that we'll be able to come to the bottom of all this soon. Good Night!

Update: R' Pinny has informed us today that he did not mean that the making of the whip-cream was an issue, rather all the utensils that are used for anything could be an issue as the keilim are washed in a dish-washer (and not by Boris) w/ (possibly non-kosher) soap along w/ utensils that were used for treif! Pinny said he spoke to some Poskim who agree with him on this issue. And as you can see was posted on another site:
"The coffee must come from a large urn and not from a coffee pot, or from a kettle - glass or otherwise. It would thus provide assurance that the urn could not be have been washed in a sink together with Treifa dishes." (www.teaneckshuls.org/SelectedPosts/KosherStarbucksProducts.htm)

Thank you Pinny for alerting us to this grave issue and we will be contacting some Poskim to get to the bottom of this issue.

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